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Detail man
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| | Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2010 1:45 pm Post subject: 8N serial number location | I need some help locating serial number on my front distributor 8N. It is NOT stamped in left side of block just below head rear of oil filter. So where else do I look? Also thanks for those who responded to my last post about input bearing. Going to tackle that this weekend
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Devious
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| | Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2010 2:05 pm Post subject: Re: 8N serial number location | HI Detail Man That spot is normally the only place you will find the engine serial number. Mine were very hard to bring out and it took some wire brush grinding to do it and still needs a Mag glass to see the numbers etc. Some are very slender numbers and not very deep in the metal. It might also be a engine that has been a replacement and is a different initial use engine and does not have a number there. I used OVEN cleaner (Lye) to strip all that I could from the area and finally got some numbers to show. Devious
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JohnIa
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| | Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2010 5:14 pm Post subject: Re: 8N serial number location | DetailMan,look at the back of the motor where it bolts to bellhousing below the head and battery for a rivited tag saying {FORD Industrial Motor]. Because if the motor hasn't been changed your looking in the right spot, As devious said they can be hard to read. I can't remember if the industrial motors have numbers stamped in the block or not. Industrial motor means it's out of a combine picker jeep etc. They put them little flatheads in a lot of equipment.
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R Geiger
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| | Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2010 5:19 pm Post subject: Re: 8N serial number location | I am not 100 percent sure but I believe my industral has s/n in both places. I would go out and check but the block is the engine shop right now.
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Detail man
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| | Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2010 5:46 pm Post subject: Re: 8N serial number location | okay, I will look again. This afternoon I used emery cloth to try to expose the ser.# and it looked smooth as glass. I do have a magnifying glass and will try a wire brush on a dremel. Thank you
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lha
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| | Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 5:33 am Post subject: Re: 8N serial number location | You can also use a piece of paper and a pencil and trace the number by moving the pencil back and forth,tracing anything on the block.---lha
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Danny in CO
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| | Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 12:19 pm Post subject: Re: 8N serial number location | It's not a serial number, but you can look underneath the rear axle trumpets. There will be cast dates there that will give you an idea of when it was built.
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Devious
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| | Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 12:50 pm Post subject: Re: 8N serial number location | Hi Danny I am not trying to be one up or anything but the trumpet dates are just that , for the trumpet and is usually for the whole tractor minus the engine which is quite often gonna be a different engine than the one that was there when the trumpets where installed. My four are just that , 4 trumpet dates and different engine dates etc going by the model dates. I just call my old clunkers hybreds or 8N/9N/2N as the stuff dictates. Those trumpet dates are the actual close info as to the date and model of the tractor as it was built. The engine serial number just tells us/me about the engine most of the time because of the high rate of changes the motors go thru over the years I have one 8N that has an engine number of 174787SM which doesn t make sense to me at all. I like to be able to get that engine serial number also but as you point out, the trumpet casting dates are usually easier to get most of the time and actually include the biggest part of the whole tractor from birth.
OH Anyone want to buy a MF 50 for 3300 with a very new hardly used Rear box blade with rippers installed. I was offered it today but I am bought out right now. I has not been sitting up and cranked right up. Devious (Dave)
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Detail man
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| | Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 1:21 pm Post subject: Re: 8N serial number location | I wire brushed the pad where the serial number is supposed to be down to the casting. There may be one forward slash mark but even with high powered magnifying glass and high intensity light at all angles there are no discernable numbers. Good advice on the trumpet castings and I will look at that tomorrow. Does the front mount dist., ford script both on fenders and hood,proofmeter, etc. give any indication as to manufacture date or does the serial number rule?
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Danny in CO
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| | Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 8:12 pm Post subject: Re: 8N serial number location | Devious,
You are correct. The trumpet dates are the dates the trumpets were cast. The actual build date of the tractor could be anywhere from a few day later to a month or more later. At lot of these old tractor are hybrids with engine swaps. Serial numbers don't really mean that much as 9n/2n/8n engine are interchangable. It more for bragging rights.
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Larry W Blum Jr
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| | Posted: Fri Sep 17, 2010 8:07 pm Post subject: Re: 8N serial number location | | Detail man wrote: | | (quoted from post at 16:21:31 09/16/10)Does the front mount dist., ford script both on fenders and hood,proofmeter, etc. give any indication as to manufacture date or does the serial number rule? |
Detail man,
If yours has a front mount distributor it has definitely had an engine change. An 8N with proof meter and fender scripts would have been produced in 1950 at the earliest. These items were added around the same time the front mount distributor was changed to side mount. Good luck with the decode. My dad has a '41 9N that has a 2N rear end and transmission and an early 8N front mount distributor. We call it his 289N tractor.
http://members.cox.net/lwblumjr/ford289.html
My Uncle Bill has an early 8N with a '52 '8N C' engine with a front mount distributor on it. These tractors underwent a lot of 'farmerization' during their lives.
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